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Rochester College or Rochester University? Survey now closed.

The survey  closed  Friday, March 1 at 5 p.m.   

A Presidential Proposal: Rochester College or Rochester University?-

by Rebekah Haigh-

When you hear the word ‘college,’ what do you think? Community college? Four-year institution or two-year institution? What about the word ‘university’?  Do you immediately associate words like: prestige, expense, graduate school…or do you even care?

Well your opinion matters because President Rubel Shelly has a proposal: “I’d like for you to give me your feelings, feedback, on the idea — the advisability — of our changing our name from Rochester College to Rochester University.”

Please click on image to open the results of the survey so far.

He believes that this might be the season for such a change. “Twenty-five years ago, there was a gentleman’s understanding that university was for big schools with schools of education, and schools of medicine, and schools of this and schools of that. Undergraduate teaching colleges that focus on bachelors-level work tended to be called colleges,” Shelly said.  It is his opinion that such a “gentleman’s understanding” is slowly becoming history, largely because of the community college phenomenon.

“In the last several years, our recruiters in the Midwest and Great Lakes area have been running into a problem: They are having to spend too much time clarifying to potential students that Rochester College is a four-year degree granting institution- not a two year community college,” Shelly said. “The term ‘college’ is creating ambiguity; they hear ‘college’ and think it’s a two-year school, a junior college.”  The word “university” sounds so much more sophisticated, one RC student told  Shelly. “I just thought a university has got to be better than a college,” she wrote to him in an e-mail.

Imagine the confusion if Oakland University were named Oakland College! After all, when many people think of “Oakland College,” they think of the nearby community college. The name “Oakland University,” on the other hand, preserves its distinction as a four-year college. Plus, as some students have pointed out, “university” simply sounds a bit more prestigious.

“There are lots of schools with three and four hundred students that call themselves universities. And, by contrast, there are a few rather big academic enterprises — with large graduate programs — that still call themselves colleges,”  Shelly said. “There never was a rigid distinction between college and university.”

RC’s name has even caused confusion with international students. Shelly noted that one of the Chinese gentlemen who arranges for Chinese students to attend schools in the U.S. “recoiled from the idea that students ready to do university-level work would be attending Rochester College because in China ‘college’ means high school,” Shelly said. “It dawned on me — I think while I was having that conversation — “you’ve been wrong about resisting the name change!”’

RC definitely meets all the requirements of Michigan’s governing body for post-secondary education to make the name change. In fact, Shelly noted that RC now has professional schools in place for disciplines such as nursing, education, and business. RC is also working on adding additional graduate programs beyond the M.R.E. currently offered by the School of Biblical Studies.

Dr. Rubel Shelly
President

However, Shelly is not trying to force a name change. “I don’t think that’s a decision for one person to make unilaterally. I could simply go to the board, get a resolution, file the papers, and change our signage. We would be Rochester University at that point. I don’t think I should do it that way. I think I should take your pulse and ask students about their preference,” he said.  “I really do want to do what will reflect the sentiment of the folks who live and work, study and teach here. I don’t want it to be about my judgment alone.”

The ball is in our court now, so please get involved in the discussion! RC or RU? The decision is yours. PLEASE TAKE THE SURVEY BELOW:

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(11) Readers Comments

  1. Anonymous
    February 1, 2013 at 1:08 pm

    I feel that Rochester College is a college much like Kalamazoo College, Aquinas, Adrian, etc. If the name were changed to Rochester University, that would infer that it encompassed several schools such as education, engineering, business, nursing, medicine, etc. I think students looking to attend a university are looking for something different than those looking for a smaller college atmosphere. I look to my niece, a senior in Ann Arbor, who has purposefully applied to several colleges in addition to a few universities because she is interested in the small atmosphere of a college. I do find that there are people who recall that Rochester College started out as a 2-yr junior college, and are unaware that it is now a 4-yr college. Maybe more publicity is needed to focus on that. I attended GMI which is now Kettering University. Kettering no longer focuses only on manufacturing and business, but has now broadened it focus to encompass medicine and other areas of study. Part of their reason for taking on the title of university was to show the break with the strictly automotive manufacturing past.

  2. J Quigley
    February 1, 2013 at 2:19 pm

    I attend the College of St. Thomas in St. Paul, MN (class of '85) - They have since expanded their programs and campus' markedly and changed their name to the University of St. Thomas sometime in the 90's...it definately isn't the same feeling school that I attended!! Much less personal in its growth... The hazy distinctionin my mind was always based on whether or not there was a graduate program within the institution - If not - it was a college offering 4 year degrees; If it had a grad program - it stepped up to University status... Back when we were evaluating school choices - the community colleges weren't really a factor - seems now they are much more prevelent... It follows then that maybe the word 'college' isn't associated automatically with a 4-year degree minimum institution like it used to be - hence perhaps the word Univeristy might be a better marketing adjective - Personally speaking, as a Rochester resident - I definately love the sound of a local 'college' better than a local 'univeristy' - in America - most of us still 'send our kids off to college'; In Europe - they 'attend Univeristy' - The reallity is...changing the name of your school could easily change the personality and the expectations of the school's atmospshere - unintended consequences?? I'd say keep the 'college' but up the marketing! :)

  3. Lisa Brady
    February 1, 2013 at 10:34 pm

    changing the name from Michigan Christian College to Rochester College was a big transition to alumni and those of use who were attending at the time, My Associates degree was conferred from Michigan Christian College, my bachelors from Rochester College, honestly it concerns me as to what are the benefits to changing the name again. I thought the purpose in changing the name to RC was to make it more marketable. “In the last several years, our recruiters in the Midwest and Great Lakes area have been running into a problem: They are having to spend too much time clarifying to potential students that Rochester College is a four-year degree granting institution- not a two year community college." What about focusing on the colleges mission when recruiting? "Rochester College cultivates academic excellence, principled character, servant leadership, and global awareness through a rigorous educational experience that integrates liberal arts and professional studies within an inclusive Christian heritage."

    • SA
      February 12, 2013 at 8:25 pm

      I am all for the name change to "University." While the recruiters do push the mission of the school, they still have to explain to people that it is not a community college. This past year we moved into "College of _____" for our programs, and while we don't offer EVERY major, we have several, with the ability to make your own. When people look at Hope, Kalamazoo, Aquinas, Adrian, etc, and want the focus to be on the small atmosphere, look at Spring Arbor, one of the other places I was looking at for my education. They have chapel like we do, and while they do have a bigger campus, they still foster their Christian attitudes. We can still be a small feel, but if you look at the numbers, our enrollment is increasing, and many of my family members, when I first told them that I was going to attend RC asked where I was going to go to finish my program. And these people lived near and drove by the school. I feel that it's a good idea to change the name.

  4. CC
    February 5, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    In full disclosure, I am a recent alumnus. I came into RC via the matriculation agreement with Specs Howard Media/Broadcasting school. The designation "college" vs. "university" was neither here nor there with me. The main issue I looked at was the opportunity to transfer my credits post-Specs, along with most of my other college experiences, and enroll in the CEL program to earn a Bachelor of Science degree in mass communications/broadcasting. I'm simply glad that the opportunity existed to gain a 4-year degree. As an aesthetic issue, if this is the will of the broader student/faculty populace to change it, so be it. If it is the will of the broader populace to not change it, so be it. I can see the attraction for "University" status-- hopefully as time goes on, in the near future more academic programs will be added, for more majors/degrees, both at the undergraduate level and postgraduate level. Hopefully the campus can be expanded with more buildings and facilities, for teaching and sports.

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  6. anonymous
    February 8, 2013 at 2:51 am

    Although I understand why one would want to change RC's name to Rochester University, I don't think our school lives up to the name. I love the school, don't get me wrong. However, there are certain small things that I believe would need to be changed in order to call this school a University. Like someone above me said, first and foremost I think that the term "University" implies that there is a wide variety of options at our school - there is not... at all. There is not an option to major in computer science, engineering, math, physical therapy, economics, and many others at our school. There are also only a one or a few professors on campus for each subject, and I think this poses a problem as well. Usually at Universities, there are many many more options. Along with this - and this is going to seem petty, I know - most universities do not have an attendance policy. The fact that our school does, I think, makes it stand out as separate from many other colleges. Basically, I think that calling it a "University" would almost seem like false advertising (even if it technically isn't.) The type of college RC is, does not reflect a normal University that an incoming student would expect.

  7. Carol Cooper
    February 8, 2013 at 10:10 pm

    You have raised several good points. I'd be interested to see your stats about university attendance policies. I have taught at a state university and at another private Christian university, each in different states. Both had attendance policies similar to RC. My colleagues teaching in higher education across the US all are supposed to enforce attendance policies set by their respectives institutions. Some do and some don't.

  8. Traci Braun
    February 15, 2013 at 8:08 pm

    I would encourage that if RC is going to change the name once again, that they incorporate the word "Christian" back into the title. Although I understand that it was a "marketing move", I was never in favor of the name changing from MCC to RC. Further, I realize that not having the name "Christian" in the title does not make the school less Christian, but it shouldn't hurt either to proclaim with the name what the school is: a Christian institution. If the college is considering moving into a University status, then what would be the harm in calling it Rochester Christian University, or even Michigan Christian University? Surely the public is not going to assume that a University is only a bible college, so why not add Christian back into the title?

    • David C. Penn
      March 15, 2013 at 1:58 am

      I am TOTALLY in favor of a name change to "Rochester University" and the term "Christian" should NOT BE incorporated back into the name change. I am an alumnus of Michigan Christian College but requested a new degree to say "Rochester College." The name "Rochester University" is more appealing to students and their future employers. It also reflects a new direction for the school and its present mission. I certainly applaud Dr. Shelley on this innovated idea!

  9. Anonymous
    February 15, 2013 at 11:36 pm

    I think that this change which is bound to happen in the near future for the school could be very beneficial. Yes, there would be a small period of transition with adjusting to the new title and branding, but those are things that can be easily implemented if done correctly. It would help raise awareness for the school, and give the opportunity for the school to re-present itself to the community as an institution. As a current student, I went through what it seems many did, with the questions of where I would be finishing out my studies and why I would choose such a small (and unfortunately the implied feelings of pretentious) school. Unfortunately, RC has a pretty negative connotation with the local younger crowd, and while you can never please all opinions, I think it would be beneficial for the school to really present its case and purpose to both perspective students and community members. Many students leaving high school dream of a great time in college, which many assume going away is necessary to achieve. It is important to show people that our school is a great time while having boundaries, and that the two can coexist happily. Another thing presented in the comments above that I agree with is that I would surely hope the "university" title would help bring expansion to the school's departments. There are honestly not many options to consider when coming here. This is one of the reasons I almost opted out of attending. There is no children's ministry program, math, computer sciences, or advertising to name a few. Also, there are no options of art majors of any kind without spending an additional 14 grand on extra off-campus schooling, much less classes that have to do with applied arts. I realize that these are not immediate changes that can be made, but with an expanding population on campus, and our hopes for future growth, there needs to become more options to suit a larger number of people. Additionally, there unfortunately happens to be a very difficult lack of communication between the few departments of the school. As of right now, our school does not exactly reach the University name, but I truly believe it can. I think it's a challenge that would bring improvement. RC has so much potential and I hope to see it flourish during the rest of my time here, possibly even as RU. Let's show people what kind of school we are and can be.

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